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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:23 pm 
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Um. Calm down.

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Blue Decay - here is a bit of information you may find interesting.

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The Supreme Court has denied First Amendment protection to obscenity, without regard to whether it is harmful to individuals. According to the Court obscenity “was outside the protection intended for speech and press” at the time of the adoption of the First Amendment. Because it does not fall under the First Amendment, obscenity may be banned solely in the interest of protecting “the social interest in order and morality.”

What is obscenity? The Supreme Court relies on what is known as the Miller test, to determine whether a work is obscene.

The Miller test asks:

(a) whether the “average person applying contemporary community standards”
would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest;
(b) whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual
conduct specifically defined by the applicable state law; and
(c ) whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.

There is a slight loophole in the condemning of obscenity: an individual does have a constitutional right to possess obscene material “in the privacy of his own home.” However, there is no constitutional right allowing the provision of obscene material for private use; nor is it a constitutional right to acquire it for private use.

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Blue Decay wrote:
If you don't want to be patronized, don't say silly things.


So, in your little world, you get to patronise people for "saying silly things". That begs me to point out that you must get patronised a lot, but I will try to resist temptation.

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All of your "credentials" mean nothing to me; I judge you by your words and your words alone.


If only your judgment were as sound as the speed with which it is made. And yeah, ummmm, you too are being judged by your words.

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If you don't want to be offered suggestions you find redundant, try actually doing something


And you KNOW I have not done anything about these things because....why, exactly?

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about all those horrible, offensive, nasty things you so despise rather than blathering on about them on the intertubes.

And for the love of God, if you haven't even seen a television show, don't flap your metaphorical gums in a thread dedicated to it.


I will "blather" wherever the hell I please. You have a complaint about it - talk to a post mod. The fact that I have not seen a specific show does not disqualify me from engaging in an informed discussion about principles relating to it.

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An adult of sound mind has the absolute right to do, say, think and feel whatever they please


You're funny. In my world we have laws that do restrict people from doing or saying certain things. You would be more persuasive if you tried to qualify your thoughts a bit more finely.

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If I want to write and record a song about a violent psychopath stalking a girl, watching her get raped by her father, and killing her father before raping and killing her while having god delusions, I will write and record that song, and others will have the right to listen to it if they please, and call it horrible, violent garbage if they feel so. What cannot be done is levy blame on me if someone who hears my song goes out and rapes and kills someone; they as an individual made that choice, not me.


Welcome to your world of freedom. Glad you're one of the few inhabitants there.

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it was decided that no, Marilyn Manson did not cause those two unfortunate kids to do what they did.


And this means, even if I accepted or cared if it was true, that no media causes any violence? Or your point was what, exactly.

Ok. For the second time in recent past, I'm done with responding to you. Feel free to rant away, or even respond with another excessively rude and offensive pm. Thanks for your attempts to engage in intelligent conversation.

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Guys, this thread was about Family Guy and bulimia, not attacking each other. Some of this is getting a little out of hand.

Family Guy strikes me as tasteless and crude, but then again to so do most teenage boys. To each their own. If there weren't people out there willing to watch the stuff, the show wouldn't be produced. I'm just not one of those people who watches it.

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Kate the great wrote:
Guys, this thread was about Family Guy and bulimia, not attacking each other. Some of this is getting a little out of hand.


You're right. I just wanted to debate some of the underlying issues, and I let Blue Decay get under my skin. I withdraw anything construed as an attack.

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Ok. For the second time in recent past, I'm done with responding to you. Feel free to rant away, or even respond with another excessively rude and offensive pm. Thanks for your attempts to engage in intelligent conversation.

*shrug* You're the one who PMed me that last time, in case you've forgotten. But I suppose you're too busy trying to paint yourself with a martyr's brush to recall correctly.

Well, have fun in your own little, close-minded world, Spender. I'll be happily enjoying my freedoms of expression and exposure to new points of view.

delenda - And that debate has been opened again and again, in cases of pornography and artists like Andres Serrano.


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There is a post in Apples and Oranges for debating on Pornography. I think that maybe some understand of what debate really means is in order though. Name calling, putting people down, only being up for YOUR opinion and not being open to the thoughts of others, those do not a debate make. I too am dropping this subject, and I am sorry to the original poster for the dive that this post has taken.

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Blue Decay wrote:
I live in America, and while I might hate some of the actions we take with every fiber of my being... [and] that's what I meant when I mentioned inalienable rights - and given that Family Guy is an American show, it's subject to those truths that our founders thought self-evident.


Actually though you're technically right, shows like The Simpsons and Family Guy are internationally distributed. So it's actually subject to international levels of censorship law - and in my experience as a consumer it seems that the American constitution wouldn't have a great deal to do with censorship. And I believe that inalienable rights do not exist, every right can be alienated by the government of the day if it has enough support.

Lastly, I get very annoyed by Americans who preface anything by saying "I live in America..." I always find myself thinking "Oh, you do? How nice for you" and then mentally ignore your whole point. /cynicsm & rant

Back to the topic, I really love Family Guy and think it's hilarious. I find I laugh riotously at any eating disorder or vomiting jokes because I can relate to it and not take it personally. It's just a joke on a television show written to be controversial. I don't find shows like Family Guy, American Dad or South Park triggering in the slightest. Whereas documentaries and movies about eating disorders are something I find pretty triggering and will avoid. Maybe just because it's animated, I can take it less seriously. But then I have a very twisted sense of humour anyway. :)


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kurayami wrote:
. It's just a joke on a television show written to be controversial. I don't find shows like Family Guy, American Dad or South Park triggering in the slightest. Whereas documentaries and movies about eating disorders are something I find pretty triggering and will avoid. Maybe just because it's animated, I can take it less seriously. But then I have a very twisted sense of humour anyway. :)


I'm with you...

the American Dad one (slightly related to this topic) did actually bring up an important point. Stan is in an ANAD style group and the counsellor assumes it's all about fashion. Through a slightly poor taste joke (about being asked if he felt uncomfortable about his body in the girls locker room...along those lines) it points out that stereotype that only teenage girls have EDs.

It's like they said on South Park (when they took the mickey out of the Family Guy writers)...they will parody/mock/joke about anything and everything--even those in bad taste.

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what's funny is that Laura - my therapist - and I discussed how we both liked Family Guy whilst I was in IOP.... but the discussion of their many eating disorder references never came up... well the ipecac one did in IOP, but not with her

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I think you either like offensive comedy or you don't. Frankie Boyle, Family Guy, South Park... I've met people that like these and people that despise them.

I agree that documenteries trigger me more. The modern world is obsessed with numbers and amounts. It seems sometimes that every story of an ED recovery or an ED treatment or an ED'd person includes emaciated photos, low weights, low intake numbers...

I think that's why I respect Lucy so much. She focussed on the important things.


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I feel like I'm the only person that did not care for Lucy's book.

I LOVE Lucy (hahaha) but dislike that book.

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I don't believe anybody is ever the only person to feel anything.

Can I ask why you didn't like it? x


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Very valid point. I doubt I am either.. in fact I know I'm not... I just feel like it on this site.. but I just felt like it was really choppy and I know people say it's nothing like Wasted and that's why they like it, but maybe because I was here for a lot of stuff... I have a different view. I found it interesting what events she chose to put into that book and which she chose to leave out.

I also felt that it seemed like she went from rock bottom to recovered fairly quickly - not in reality but based on number of pages dedicated to each part

hard to pinpoint it all exactly... but I actually almost didn't finish it... and I gave away my copy

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I've never really been, triggered, or angered by family guy. They make fun of everybody, not one person is left out.

What's worst is have someone really tell you that. I've been told by a friend to induce vomiting to lose weight.

Luckily I have not

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